From: jesus_is_lord To: List Member Subject: Daughters of Sara Date: Friday, December 15, 2000 5:24 PM jesus_is_lord =========================== ListBot Sponsor ========================== Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/links/joinlb ====================================================================== Dear CHRISTIAN Friend: Greetings in the name of the ONLY wise God and Saviour Jesus Christ. Some time back I sent out a couple emails on how wives should submit to their husbands. At the end of this message, I will include the one in its entirety and excerpts from the other. But first I want to rehearse some of what the Bible says on submission, that concept that is so foreign to most of us modern-day women. I also want to give you ordering information on the small paperback, "Daughter of Sarah" that I mentioned in those emails. **************************************************** Speaking from my little corner of cyberspace, a lot of sisters are out here getting information and sharing it. To that I say, "Amen". But if you are not in submission to your husband, you are not even fulfilling your PRIMARY ministry. You were MADE to be a HELPmeet to your husband and you need to get that right before you try to evangelize the world. When you find a discussion about wives in the New Testament, you repeatedly find the admonition to OBEY their husbands. To many people, both men and women, the idea of submission is distasteful. If you are fleshly, it is going to be distasteful because the flesh lusteth against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. You see, the two are contrary the one to the other so that you cannot do the things YE WOULD. If it were up to my flesh, I would be just as rebellious as ever. But it is not up to my flesh, it is up to the Spirit. I am led by the Spirit. He testifies and leads me through the word. What saith the Lord about submission? 1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, YE WIVES, BE IN SUBJECTION TO YOUR OWN HUSBANDS; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be WON BY THE CONVERSATION OF THE WIVES; 3:2 While they behold your CHASTE conversation coupled with FEAR. 3:3 Whose adorning let it NOT be that OUTWARD adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a MEEK AND QUIET spirit, which is in the sight of God of GREAT price. 3:5 For after this manner in the old time THE HOLY WOMEN also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, BEING IN SUBJECTION UNTO THEIR OWN HUSBANDS: 3:6 Even as SARA OBEYED ABRAHAM, CALLING HIM LORD: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. If you want to be gorgeous to God, don a meek and quiet spirit which in the sight of the Lord is of GREAT price. I want to be good looking to God who is also my husband, "thy Maker is thy husband". Many of us women can tell somebody how to be saved, we can feed the homeless, understand mysteries AND DO NOT EVEN FULFIL OUR PRIMARY MINISTRY--TO BE A SUBMISSIVE HELPMEET TO OUR HUSBANDS. Look at the following scripture and let it sink down into your ears my sisters, especially the last sentence in light of all that is said before it-- Titus 2:1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: 2:2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. 2:3 The AGED WOMEN likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to LOVE THEIR HUSBANDS, to love their children, 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, KEEPERS AT HOME, good, OBEDIENT TO THEIR OWN HUSBANDS, THAT THE WORD OF GOD BE NOT BLASPHEMED. When you obey your husband, rear children, and keep your home together, THE WORD itself is not blasphemed. In fact, it is extoled. You become a gazing stock to a world, and church full of people whose marriages are bound together with fetters. No contention, harmony and adherence to the word of God. When you look at the scriptures showing the roles of wives you find submission to their husbands, not evangelizing and bucking their husbands at home. You can know all the scripture in the world, but if you are not submitting, you are not right. About 1.5 months ago, someone asked me to enter into a new ministry and the Lord told me that I needed to learn to keep my house straight before I go into anything new. Since that day, I've said that I will not go to bed with any dishes in the sink, I don't care how tired I am. Sometimes I'm washing dishes at 2 am, but it feels good to get up and see my kitchen straight. No use in having the worst looking house in the world and going out to do something "for the Lord". You can stay at home and do the number one thing the Lord made you to do--be a HELPmeet for your husband and mother to your children. Another thing. Last February, we had a guest preacher at our church. His whole sermon was basically on how we are to render due benevolence to our spouse. Forget the "I have a headache" business. 1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife DUE BENEVOLENCE: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 7:4 THE WIFE HATH NOT POWER OF HER OWN BODY, BUT THE HUSBAND: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 7:5 DEFRAUD YE NOT ONE THE OTHER, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. That preacher was VERY bold. Those that had an ear heard and made adjustments. He spoke to husbands and wives. He told wives to give their husbands what they want when they want it. The church is to give Jesus WHAT He wants, WHEN He wants it, and the WAY He wants it. We are to submit to Him in all things. "But my husband has so many shortcomings!" First of all, you should not be talking about your husband. You are supposed to reverence him-- Ephesians 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and THE WIFE SEE THAT SHE REVERENCE HER HUSBAND. Second of all, what do you think a HELPmeet is for? Wherever he is hanging down, that is where you can shine to help him, not rule over him, help him. Third of all, you are not perfect and need help of God. Fourth of all, you need to seek ways to edify and build up your husband, not tear him down. A nagging woman is no treat-- Proverbs 21:19 It is BETTER to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman. Proverbs 27:15 A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike. Proverbs 25:24 It is better to dwell in the corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman and in a wide house. Wives need to stop talking bad about their husbands. If you don't have anything good to say, say nothing. If your husband hangs the picture up crooked, be GRATEFUL that he tried to hang it up. Fifth of all, when you learn some doctrine you didn't know before, remember it is not your role to school your husband so share what you've learned in all meekness. Don't hit him over the head with YOUR NEWFOUND knowledge. We people have a tendency to learn something and then get mad because the church don't know it, the husband don't know it, the pastor don't know it--WE DIDN'T KNOW IT EITHER! There is a WHOLE lot God knows and WE DON'T--but He tarries for us. He is longsuffering and patient. We are supposed to be just like God. Peter says we are to be partaker of the divine nature. Be like God. As He is, so are we in this world. Some suggested reading for my sisters out there-- ***Proverbs 31--see how you measure up as an ideal wife, then work on those areas where you are hanging down. ***I Timothy 5:10-15--even though it is talking about widows, it shows what types of works the godly widow has done in her life. I have not exhausted this subject, but for the rebellious woman, there is enough scripture here (and following) to get you started on the path of being a good wife in the sight of the Lord. Here is the information on "Daughters of Sarah". THIS BOOK IS NOT KING JAMES! I usually cannot bear anything that is not (too sickening), but the insight of this book WILL HELP YOU IF YOU ARE REBELLIOUS. Did you know "the silent treatment" is a form of rebellion? As you read this book (which is full of case studies), you can look up the scripture references in the real Bible (KJ 1611)-- Genevieve M. White 17 Charlemont Street Dorchester, MA 02122 617-288-6140 $9 each plus shipping ISBN# 0-916573-89-3 Publisher is: Brentwood Christian Press Columbus, GA 31904 I sho' nuff found myself in this book. Sometimes I had to put it down and think about how it hit the nail on the head. The following are emails that I sent out earlier this year on submission...God speed to those who love and serve King Jesus of a truth. sis. tracy Date: May 24 2000 19:09:11 EDT From: jesus_is_lord Subject: Submission [Reminder: this list is not for hellbounds. Repent and get washed in the blood of Jesus and it will be for you.] Dear Christian Friends: Greetings in the name of the ONLY wise God and Saviour Jesus Christ. Today I received an email from a woman, a wife, that took my mind to the subject of submission to our husbands. Though many of us do not realize it, disobedience to this command is witchcraft (this is explained in the article at the end of this email)... A few years ago our old pastor preached a series of sermons on the family. Those sermons were rough, but oh so penetrating! What clearing! Tears streamed down my face. I could not even hold my head up. When preaching on the role of wives, he parked on submission to our husbands. At one point, he said something to this affect, "Every argument is the wife's fault." I thought, "Whoa, that's rough!" He explained that if a wife is in submission to her husband, she will accept his final decision and not fight against it. I ain't gonna lie--I was VERY rebellious and ignorant. But praise be the Lord Jesus Christ, I was not disobedient to the heavenly message I received through those sermons. Up to the point of those sermons, there was no training in my life in submission. That ain't what you learn in this world. You learn, "I can do anything he can!" "I work too and can do what I want to!" "I'm right!" Rebellious women, you know what I am talking about. Husbands with rebellious wives, you also know what I am talking about. This women's liberation is actually women's bondage. All of a sudden wives have been "liberated" into working outside the home for 40 hours a week, not including travel time. I was probably atypical, but when I used to work, I had a bad attitude. Don't ask me to wash clothes, cook food on a regular basis, etc. Then I had the nerve to be loud. Now that is a TERRIBLE combination. Hideous. I was barely makin' it and was sick with sinus problems much of the time. Meanwhile, I had solid ministries in the church that were bearing fruit--and I was also taking care of www.jesus-is-lord.com. You see, Jesus knows you are ignorant and need some help. You don't go from kindegarten to the 12th grade in one day. Jesus teaches you line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. The will of God is your sanctification. The time came when I was confronted with a hideous aspect of myself that Jesus wanted burnt off--my rebellion to my husband. Jesus wants us to grow up and be strong. Submission was one of those hard things I had to learn. It was not easy for me to be saying "sorry" and be going along with my husband's decisions when I thought another way. But I knew that I had to obey. Obedience is better than sacrifice! Many give the sacrifice of fools which is a bunch of words but not many are willing to obey--obedience is what the Lord requires. Many think Jesus is someone to be toyed with. Give Him lip service and play the hypocrite. Do it that way and they will find themselves in Matthew 7:21-23. Hallelujah, the word gives us warning! The bridge is out ahead! Turn the right way! I can say from personal experience, that I experienced great internal power as I obeyed the word above my flesh. At this point, I am determined that NOTHING will have power over me. With this exercise in submission my senses were being exercised to discern good and evil. Oh, folks say they want power--BUT IT ONLY COMES AS YOU OBEY THE WORD! There is no other formula. Pick up the Bible, read it, obey it. THEN the power comes. The pastor followed up the submission sermon by giving us women a book entitled, "Daughters of Sarah". The quotes are not KJB so you know it had to have some serious redeeming value for the preacher to pass it out. And yes, it had GREAT value. I saw myself all up in that book as it talked about wife rebellion and the benefits of submission. I may have given my copy away but I can get the information for those who may be interested. At this time in life, it is very easy to submit to my husband. My mother recently marvelled at how I go along with whatever husband says without batting an eye. It has become automatic. If I act like I'm going to get ridiculous, my husband speaks to me about it and I'm straight. This world finds this abominable. But GOD FINDS REBELLION ABOMINABLE. I'm going to please God, hallelujah! It is better be on the corner of the rooftop than in a whole house with a contentious woman. The following is a short article that I did for a church newsletter. Rebellious, non-submissive wives, PLEASE take heed. Let your man be the man as you adorn yourself with a meek and quiet spirit which in the sight of the Lord is of GREAT PRICE. If you have a godly husband, you really have jewel. Build him up and don't talk bad about him. If your husband is an unbeliever, pray for him, live for Jesus in front of him and look for redeeming things in him, e.g., he goes to work everyday and provides for your family. Don't talk bad about your husband. The King James 1611 says for the wife to see that she REVERENCE her husband. Hallelujah! Do it and be blessed. Take it from me. I WAS REBELLIOUS BUT JESUS HAS CHANGED ME. The referenced article is found under my signature block below... for Jesus' sake, tracy -- http://www.jesus-is-lord.com ...I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Ezekiel 2:4, 6 ***THE ARTICLE*** "ME? SUBMIT TO MY HUSBAND?" "Wives, SUBMIT yourselves unto your own husbands, AS UNTO THE LORD." Eph 5:22 As is the case with many women in this world, I was reared to be independent. That's alright if the efforts at independence are properly directed, but unfortunately, for me and many other women, independence usually translates into REBELLION in marriage. We marry and decide we want to continue to do things our own way when the Bible says that our husbands have the rule over us. There is a God-given hierarchy of relationships and we women fit in underneath our husbands--But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1 Corinthians 11:3) Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands IN EVERY THING. (Ephesians 5:24) "But my husband is not a Christian!" That makes no difference--Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any OBEY NOT the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; (1 Peter 3:1) Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. (1 Peter 2:18) Many women can be kind to anyone except their own husbands. This is Satanic perversion. It is sin and it is rebellion to the word of God--Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she REVERENCE her husband. (Ephesians 5:33) What saith the scripture concerning rebellion? For rebellion is as the sin of WITCHCRAFT, and stubbornness is as iniquity and IDOLATRY... (1 Samuel 15:23) God loves women just as much as men and there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28) but our roles are different. In a corporation you have a President and a Vice-President. Both have important, yet distinct, responsibilities but the President has the final say. Somebody has to be the leader. God made man in His image and He made woman to be a helpmeet to man--not a hinderance and not a thorn in his side. ...man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as HE IS THE IMAGE AND GLORY OF GOD: BUT THE WOMAN IS THE GLORY OF THE MAN. 1 Corinthians 11:7 Ladies, we need to accord our husbands great respect. If your husband asks you to do something, just do it without grumbling and complaining. Do all things as unto the Lord. Oh, let it not be said that we wives have been a hinderance to our husbands--God has a way of humbling or removing any obstacles to His work. It should encourage our hearts to see our men stepping up to do battle in the name of Christ. Let us wives cheerfully perform our supporting role as we seek to further the gospel of Jesus Christ and spread His doctrine all over the world. Date: May 29 2000 14:02:36 EDT From: jesus_is_lord Subject: Submission, Marriage & Whoredom [Reminder: this list is not for hellbounds. Repent, get washed in the blood of Jesus and it will be for you.] Dear Christian Friends: Greetings in the name of the ONLY wise God and Saviour Jesus Christ... *****SUBMISSION & MARRIAGE***** ...Many people who profess Christ do not lift up their eyes to see the spiritual significance of what the Bible is saying... Marriage ain't *really* about me and my husband. It is a picture of Christ and the church. The Bible is FULL of such pictures where the physical/natural reflects great spiritual realities. Paul says first comes the natural and THEN that which is spiritual. The Lord has set it up so that our peanut-size human brains have something to take ahold of so we can understand the spiritual. Marriage is one such thing. The scriptures refer to Jesus as the groom and the church as His bride. Is the BRIDE (the Christian) supposed to rebel against Jesus at ANY TIME? Or are we rather to submit to Him in ALL things? Of course, we are to submit in ALL things. And so Christ commands us wives to do likewise. As the HUSBAND, Christ loves His wife greatly. He nourishes her, protects her, helps her, encourages her, spends time with her, provides for her. So it is SUPPOSED to be with Christian husbands. Jesus does not command husbands to be overbearing, disrespecting their wives, treating them like second-class citizens, whoring around on them, and beating them down. He does not command them to lead them into watching hellivision--He commands them to sanctify and clease them with the washing of water BY THE WORD just like Jesus did for us. Paul breaks it down in Ephesians chapter 5, and he ends the treatise in a very interesting way... Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, AS UNTO THE LORD. 5:23 For THE HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE WIFE, EVEN AS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH: AND HE IS THE SAVIOUR OF THE BODY. 5:24 Therefore AS THE CHURCH IS SUBJECT UNTO CHRIST, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. 5:25 HUSBANDS, LOVE YOUR WIVES, EVEN AS CHRIST ALSO LOVED THE CHURCH, AND GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT; 5:26 THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE IT WITH THE WASHING OF WATER BY THE WORD, 5:27 THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF A GLORIOUS CHURCH, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING; BUT THAT IT SHOULD BE HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH. 5:28 SO OUGHT MEN TO LOVE THEIR WIVES AS THEIR OWN BODIES. HE THAT LOVETH HIS WIFE LOVETH HIMSELF. 5:29 FOR NO MAN EVER YET HATED HIS OWN FLESH; BUT NOURISHETH AND CHERISHETH IT, EVEN AS THE LORD THE CHURCH: 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 5:32 ***THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY: BUT I SPEAK CONCERNING CHRIST AND THE CHURCH.*** 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; And the wife see that she reverence her husband. Human marriage is supposed to be a picture of spiritual marriage to Jesus Christ. Even down to being joined together as ONE. Jesus lives INSIDE of the believer. Conversely, the believer, moves and breathes in the Lord Jesus Christ. It is an intimate relationship. Me submitting to my husband ain't really about me. It is about me reflecting how the church is to submit to Christ. My husband loving me like a precious jewel ain't really about him being so great. It is about reflecting how Jesus cares for the church. Of course, we reap the benefits of such an arrangement, but it ain't about us. Our arrangement is temporal. There is no "eternal marriage" as the Mormons say. The Bible clearly states that in heaven there is no marrying. *****CONCLUSION***** ...For the Christian, this life really ain't about us. It is about glorifying Christ and His doctrine. As we obey the word, we are blessed and happy but that is incidental. The goal is to glorify Christ and His doctrine and sometimes that includes suffering. Jesus Himself is our example. He suffered without the gate and so will we. The scriptures say that ALL that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. If you are a Christian wife and your husband ain't straight, you STILL have to obey Christ--submit. If you are a Christian husband and your wife ain't straight, you still have to obey Christ--love. It just may be that your unbelieving spouse will be converted. 1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. For the ladies who wrote for more info on "The Daughters of Sarah" I'll try to remember to retrieve my copy so that I can send you the ordering and price information. for Jesus' sake, tracy -- http://www.jesus-is-lord.com ...I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house. Ezekiel 2:4, 6 ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, write to jesus_is_lord-unsubscribe@listbot.com